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By: Ssevers

Ssevers — Fri, 29 Jul 2011 20:40:00 +0000

I read the book, “A framework for Understanding Poverty” by Ruby Payne for a class and have heard of her in the social work field. I have problems with her generalizing by using the word “all” and categorizing people into classes even though this happens in our nation. What is considered “middle class”? Is it being employed making a certain amount of money, assets one has, determined by morales and values, same class as previous generation, or what choices one makes in life? I was told by a person early in life that one can be poor but can be clean. You can have little but treasure what you have. I think it would have been better if Payne would not have imposed the idea of the word “All” because I think this word causes many objections and thus becomes a more complex issue. I had mix thoughts and feelings as I read her book which put my brain on overload. I decided to keep it on a simple level “developing an awareness” and thinking of it as “food for thought”.

By: Jeff

Jeff — Wed, 20 Apr 2011 21:24:00 +0000

I’m not sure we are still in a middle class nation, but I sort of agree with you in regards to the value of her work. Ruby Payne is sharing what she has learned about human patterns of thinking and behaving as she experienced them during her time working with children of poverty. As a counselor, much of what I do is identifying patterns and helping students understand how these patterns help or hinder their quality of living. I think this is where it started fro Ruby Payne. Her critics look at her work as perpetuating the “culture of poverty” myth, the foundation for deficit theory programming. I think a quick review of the book would leave you thinking that she supports deficit theory-nothing could be further from the truth. Her whole approach is based on identifying the resources available for the individual, and then using these resources to create more resources.

By: melissa

melissa — Mon, 11 Apr 2011 02:01:00 +0000

I wonder if some critics have actually read Payne’s entire book. Many accuse her of using the deficit model to explain/solve poverty. On the contrary, she points out the downsides of using the deficit model and directs us to use the additive model when considering poverty.
Also, we all know her theories are not scientifically researched based, but she doesn’t claim that they are. She based much of her ideas on real-life experience which she very clearly states. I believe there is value in having real-life experiences. That she was immersed in poverty for a prolonged period of time makes her credible on some level.
Her descriptions may not perfectly describe all people in poverty or all people in middle-class or all people in wealth, but again, she says that her book is based on patterns and there are always exceptions.
I believe her insights are valuable and worth considering, keeping in mind that her ultimate goal is to help educators effectively teach all students and yes, to help them to be successful in a middle-class nation, because we ARE in a middle class nation.
For the insights she shares, I am thankful. Her theories have helped me to thoughtfully consider my students’ home lives, their strengths and their struggles. I have learned to better appreciate my students as individuals.