Just a Thought: Hillary Could Still Win This Thing

Written by: PogieMarch 25th, 2008
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Lately, I can’t even bring myself to read Daily Kos and a few other major liberal blogs, which seem to have become unofficial arms of the Obama campaign in their relentless attacks against Hillary Clinton, who still well could be the Democratic nominee in 2008.

On the front page of Kos today, I am told repeatedly that Clinton can’t win, other than by attracting superdelegates (bad, evil), , and that Florida and Michigan should not be counted (morally pure).

They’re certainly interesting talking points. The first is premised on the idea that, while winning super delegates is precisely how the rules of the game were established, it is somehow morally wrong, deceptive, and under-handed, an undemocratic affront that will lead to mass defections in the fall. On the other hand, disenfranchising the voters of two critical states is permissible, because the rules demand it.

Throw in a little non-story about a Bosnia trip, and you have the summary of the anti-Hillary campaign.

The thing is, this race is from certain, despite what Obama supporters and The Politico think. (It’s certainly interesting, too, that the Politico is suddenly given credence in Progressive circles, if only for this argument.) While I support Senator Obama, I will enthusiastically support Senator Clinton if she wins the nomination, and damn it, so should the rest of Obama’s supporters, unless we want another four years of the Bush Administration, which is precisely what John McCain will bring.

Or maybe Al Gore will save the day.

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2 Comments For This Post

Duncan Idaho Says:
March 25th, 2008 at 1:11 pm

Until today I would have agreed with you about 90% (I still read dkos but with a lot of skimming over all the candidate propaganda).

But today Hillary blew her legacy out of the water for me with a brief statement about Obama and Wright:

I’d also disagree that the race is “far from certain”–I think it’s very close to certain. And I sure hope so, because after today it would be a very painful decision for me as to whether to vote for Clinton in November. (I wouldn’t have said that yesterday–I was more of an idealist then

However you feel about Daily Kos, Talking Points Memo ( http://talkingpointsmemo.com/ ) is very much part of the reality-based community. Hillary’s supporters should read the last week or two of Josh Marshall’s reviews of the race there, including his take on the delegate rules and MI/FL, and then write to Hillary and ask her to pack it in now for the good of the party and the country.

BlackProfessor Says:
March 26th, 2008 at 7:47 am

March 11, 2008

Jodi Kantor
The New York Times
9 West 43rd Street
New York,
New York 10036-3959

Dear Jodi:

Thank you for engaging in one of the biggest misrepresentations of the
truth I have ever seen in sixty-five years. You sat and shared with me
for two hours. You told me you were doing a “Spiritual Biography” of
Senator Barack Obama. For two hours, I shared with you how I thought he
was the most principled individual in public service that I have ever
met.

For two hours, I talked with you about how idealistic he was. For two
hours I shared with you what a genuine human being he was. I told you
how incredible he was as a man who was an African American in public
service, and as a man who refused to announce his candidacy for
President until Carol Moseley Braun indicated one way or the other
whether or not she was going to run.

I told you what a dreamer he was. I told you how idealistic he was. We
talked about how refreshing it would be for someone who knew about
Islam to be in the Oval Office. Your own question to me was, Didn’t I
think it would be incredible to have somebody in the Oval Office who
not only knew about Muslims, but had living and breathing Muslims in
his own family? I told you how important it would be to have a man who
not only knew the difference between Shiites and Sunnis prior to
9/11/01 in the Oval Office, but also how important it would be to have
a man who knew what Sufism was; a man who understood that there were
different branches of Judaism; a man who knew the difference between
Hasidic Jews, Orthodox Jews, Conservative Jews and Reformed Jews; and a
man who was a devout Christian, but who did not prejudge others because
they believed something other than what he believed.

I talked about how rare it was to meet a man whose Christianity was not
just “in word only.” I talked about Barack being a person who lived
his faith and did not argue his faith. I talked about Barack as a
person who did not draw doctrinal lines in the sand nor consign other
people to hell if they did not believe what he believed.

Out of a two-hour conversation with you about Barack’s spiritual
journey and my protesting to you that I had not shaped him nor formed
him, that I had not mentored him or made him the man he was, even
though I would love to take that credit, you did not print any of that.
When I told you, using one of your own Jewish stories from the Hebrew
Bible as to how God asked Moses, “What is that in your hand?” that
Barack was like that when I met him. Barack had it in his hand.
Barack had in his grasp a uniqueness in terms of his spiritual
development that one is hard put to find in the 21st century, and you
did not print that.

As I was just starting to say a moment ago, Jodi, out of two hours of
conversation I spent approximately five to seven minutes on Barack’s
taking advice from one of his trusted campaign people and deeming it
unwise to make me the media spotlight on the day of his announcing his
candidacy for the Presidency and what do you print? You and your editor
proceeded to present to the general public a snippet, a printed “sound
byte” and a titillating and tantalizing article about his disinviting
me to the Invocation on the day of his announcing his candidacy.

I have never been exposed to that kind of duplicitous behavior before,
and I want to write you publicly to let you know that I do not approve
of it and will not be party to any further smearing of the name, the
reputation, the integrity or the character of perhaps this nation’s
first (and maybe even only) honest candidate offering himself for
public service as the person to occupy the Oval Office.

Your editor is a sensationalist. For you to even mention that makes me
doubt your credibility, and I am looking forward to see how you are
going to butcher what else I had to say concerning Senator Obama’s
”Spiritual Biography”. Our Conference Minister, the Reverend Jane
Fisler Hoffman, a white woman who belongs to a Black church that
Hannity of ”Hannity and Colmes” is trying to trash, set the record
straight for you in terms of who I am and in terms of who we are as the
church to which Barack has belonged for over twenty years.

The president of our denomination, the Reverend John Thomas, has
offered to try to help you clarify in your confused head what Trinity
Church is even though you spent the entire weekend with us setting me
up to interview me for what turned out to be a smear of the Senator;
and yet The New York Times continues to roll on making the truth what
it wants to be the truth. I do not remember reading in your article
that t Barack had apologized for listening to that bad information and
bad advice. Did I miss it? Or did your editor cut it out? Either way,
you do not have to worry about hearing anything else from me for you to
edit or because you are more interested in journalism than in
truth.

Forgive me for having a momentary lapse. I forgot that The New York
Times was leading the bandwagon in trumpeting why it is we should have
gone into an illegal war. The New York Times became George Bush and the
Republican Party. The New York Times played a role
in the outing of Valerie Plame. I do not know why I thought The New
York Times had actually repented and was going to exhibit a different
kind of behavior.

Maybe it was my faith in the Jewish Holy Day of Roshashana. Maybe it
was my being caught up in the euphoria of the Season of Lent; but
whatever it is or was, I was sadly mistaken. There is n o repentance on
the part of The New York Times. There is no integrity when it comes to
The Times. You should do well with that paper, Jodi. You looked me
straight in my face and told me a lie!

Sincerely and respectfully yours,

Reverend Jeremiah A. Wright, Jr. ,
Senior Pastor
Trinity United Church of Christ

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Duncan Idaho Says:
March 25th, 2008 at 1:11 pm
Until today I would have agreed with you about 90% (I still read dkos but with a lot of skimming over all the candidate propaganda).

But today Hillary blew her legacy out of the water for me with a brief statement about Obama and Wright:

I’d also disagree that the race is “far from certain”–I think it’s very close to certain. And I sure hope so, because after today it would be a very painful decision for me as to whether to vote for Clinton in November. (I wouldn’t have said that yesterday–I was more of an idealist then

However you feel about Daily Kos, Talking Points Memo ( http://talkingpointsmemo.com/ ) is very much part of the reality-based community. Hillary’s supporters should read the last week or two of Josh Marshall’s reviews of the race there, including his take on the delegate rules and MI/FL, and then write to Hillary and ask her to pack it in now for the good of the party and the country.
BlackProfessor Says:
March 26th, 2008 at 7:47 am
March 11, 2008

Jodi Kantor
The New York Times
9 West 43rd Street
New York,
New York 10036-3959

Dear Jodi:

Thank you for engaging in one of the biggest misrepresentations of the
truth I have ever seen in sixty-five years. You sat and shared with me
for two hours. You told me you were doing a “Spiritual Biography” of
Senator Barack Obama. For two hours, I shared with you how I thought he
was the most principled individual in public service that I have ever
met.

For two hours, I talked with you about how idealistic he was. For two
hours I shared with you what a genuine human being he was. I told you
how incredible he was as a man who was an African American in public
service, and as a man who refused to announce his candidacy for
President until Carol Moseley Braun indicated one way or the other
whether or not she was going to run.

I told you what a dreamer he was. I told you how idealistic he was. We
talked about how refreshing it would be for someone who knew about
Islam to be in the Oval Office. Your own question to me was, Didn’t I
think it would be incredible to have somebody in the Oval Office who
not only knew about Muslims, but had living and breathing Muslims in
his own family? I told you how important it would be to have a man who
not only knew the difference between Shiites and Sunnis prior to
9/11/01 in the Oval Office, but also how important it would be to have
a man who knew what Sufism was; a man who understood that there were
different branches of Judaism; a man who knew the difference between
Hasidic Jews, Orthodox Jews, Conservative Jews and Reformed Jews; and a
man who was a devout Christian, but who did not prejudge others because
they believed something other than what he believed.

I talked about how rare it was to meet a man whose Christianity was not
just “in word only.” I talked about Barack being a person who lived
his faith and did not argue his faith. I talked about Barack as a
person who did not draw doctrinal lines in the sand nor consign other
people to hell if they did not believe what he believed.

Out of a two-hour conversation with you about Barack’s spiritual
journey and my protesting to you that I had not shaped him nor formed
him, that I had not mentored him or made him the man he was, even
though I would love to take that credit, you did not print any of that.
When I told you, using one of your own Jewish stories from the Hebrew
Bible as to how God asked Moses, “What is that in your hand?” that
Barack was like that when I met him. Barack had it in his hand.
Barack had in his grasp a uniqueness in terms of his spiritual
development that one is hard put to find in the 21st century, and you
did not print that.

As I was just starting to say a moment ago, Jodi, out of two hours of
conversation I spent approximately five to seven minutes on Barack’s
taking advice from one of his trusted campaign people and deeming it
unwise to make me the media spotlight on the day of his announcing his
candidacy for the Presidency and what do you print? You and your editor
proceeded to present to the general public a snippet, a printed “sound
byte” and a titillating and tantalizing article about his disinviting
me to the Invocation on the day of his announcing his candidacy.

I have never been exposed to that kind of duplicitous behavior before,
and I want to write you publicly to let you know that I do not approve
of it and will not be party to any further smearing of the name, the
reputation, the integrity or the character of perhaps this nation’s
first (and maybe even only) honest candidate offering himself for
public service as the person to occupy the Oval Office.

Your editor is a sensationalist. For you to even mention that makes me
doubt your credibility, and I am looking forward to see how you are
going to butcher what else I had to say concerning Senator Obama’s
”Spiritual Biography”. Our Conference Minister, the Reverend Jane
Fisler Hoffman, a white woman who belongs to a Black church that
Hannity of ”Hannity and Colmes” is trying to trash, set the record
straight for you in terms of who I am and in terms of who we are as the
church to which Barack has belonged for over twenty years.

The president of our denomination, the Reverend John Thomas, has
offered to try to help you clarify in your confused head what Trinity
Church is even though you spent the entire weekend with us setting me
up to interview me for what turned out to be a smear of the Senator;
and yet The New York Times continues to roll on making the truth what
it wants to be the truth. I do not remember reading in your article
that t Barack had apologized for listening to that bad information and
bad advice. Did I miss it? Or did your editor cut it out? Either way,
you do not have to worry about hearing anything else from me for you to
edit or because you are more interested in journalism than in
truth.

Forgive me for having a momentary lapse. I forgot that The New York
Times was leading the bandwagon in trumpeting why it is we should have
gone into an illegal war. The New York Times became George Bush and the
Republican Party. The New York Times played a role
in the outing of Valerie Plame. I do not know why I thought The New
York Times had actually repented and was going to exhibit a different
kind of behavior.

Maybe it was my faith in the Jewish Holy Day of Roshashana. Maybe it
was my being caught up in the euphoria of the Season of Lent; but
whatever it is or was, I was sadly mistaken. There is n o repentance on
the part of The New York Times. There is no integrity when it comes to
The Times. You should do well with that paper, Jodi. You looked me
straight in my face and told me a lie!

Sincerely and respectfully yours,

Reverend Jeremiah A. Wright, Jr. ,
Senior Pastor
Trinity United Church of Christ

Yuck « The New Willard Says:
March 31st, 2008 at 9:38 pm
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