The Idaho Anti Wolf Coalition has fallen short, thank god. The coalition had been trying to collect 45,000 signatures by May 1st in order to put a wolf removal initiative on Idaho’s ballot, which called for the complete removal of wolves from Idaho. The Anti Wolf Coalition only managed to get about 35,000 signatures.
The Idaho Anti Wolf Coalition is a group believes that wolves are harming deer and elk populations, despite scientific evidence to the contrary. Why? Because they’re “sick of hearing about biology and science!”
The scary thing is this: how did they even get 35,000 signatures? It’s bad enough that federal Endangered Species protections have been removed, but wipe them all out? Is this 1931?
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Pogie, I see you’ve finally got up the gumption to try and butt heads with me. Once again bunny huggers prove my point. I did not say nearing extinction I said they are well on their way to extinction and I am talking about elk in Idaho, Montana and Wyoming… the states you decided to dump your “wonderful” Canadian grey wolves in. Well on their way meaning they are in a long term decline, they are on the path to extinction. Are you even aware that there are more than one subspecies of elk? Of course not… what was I thinking a wolf is a wolf so an elk is an elk, has antlers eats plants, close enough. I‘m talking about the Rocky Mountain elk, not the Tule and Roosevelt and any others that exist. Again you have taken something I said and twisted it. Do you people ever really hear what anybody actually says?
If you really want to go this route… According to their own admissions the wolves they dumped here are as genetically close to the species that was native as they could get. This boils down to you did not revive an extinct species you merely transplanted a foreign one and claimed revival…. It’s kind of like a magic trick…. Sleight of hand, twist of words and there you have it. You can stop patting yourself on the back for “reviving a species”. Genetically as close as you can get and identical are not the same… it also translates into non-native species that needs to be exterminated.
When I take my horses into to the high country I am expected to bring weed free hay with me to help prevent the spread of noxious weeds. Failure to do so can result in a fine. What you have done with wolves is worse than if I were to take hay with me that is not weed free. What should your punishment be? You’ve created a situation that is even more devastating, how can you be so blind?
Man plays god once and brings wolves almost to extinction…. Animals and ecosystems move on and evolve… man plays god a second time and brings wolves back (due to people who think they have the right to force their views on everybody else)… Now the devastation is in the making. Typical democrats… they just never know when their liberalism has gone too far. You’ve watched back to the future one time too many. Right or wrong you cannot go back and change the past like this without dire consequences.
If wolves had not been nearly exterminated there would probably be a healthy balance out there right now. For starters you would not have introduced a non-native species as you did. You cannot just go and try to change the past with something that to you smells and sounds like the wolf that was once here. If you opened your eyes you would see that this is not the wolf that was once here. The only answer is to remove these non-native wolves… permanently.
Bunny hugging Nazis…. It fits. What did the Nazi’s do? Same thing you are doing they took their views and tried to force them onto the rest of the world. It’s not just a catchy phrase…. It actually has some meaning behind it.
“Shoot, Shovel and Shut up”
Parvo is the greatest contribution to the Western States since the repeating rifle. This is an all natural disease that I first saw when the Red Fox showed up in Wyoming in 1976. All you have to do is mention Parvo and the Wolf Lovers start running, it is a Karma thing and they know it. Parvo makes it very difficult to keep pretending to be God. It also makes me want to visit Yellowstone with muddy shoes.
I appreciate your stand and look forward to more stories about Parvo. Also these folks don’t like to be reminded that the Elk , Moose etc. were here first……? Ya, after the Wolf was relagated to oblivion Wildlife took his spot, he was not here and only recently returned and for all intents and puposes is still not OUR Wolf. That wolf was gotten rid of by the Gov. ( see Cat Urbigkit Native Wyo Wolf)
Snowshoe Bunzis in the belly of Tiger tanks. Nicht schießen!
you dumb hillbilly these wolves are native you anti wolf hicks don’t know jack shit you just want attention well your getting it now i saw gilletts shity truck with those stickers only a fag would have i wanted to slash his tires or cut his brakes i wanted to do that soo bad. if you kill a wolf i can kill a eagle you bozos need a new hobby the west is dead you dumb hicks should of gone extinct by now this is the 21st century you no longer fit in you fuck sticks need to shut your holes and go back to inbreeding. all i hope for is trophy hunting banned and hunting banned the N.R.A. N.ational R.edneck A.sociation needs to be banned. when you said If wolves had not been nearly exterminated there would probably be a healthy balance out there right now. your the inbreeds who brought this on to began with even your dam grand daddy you dumb cow puncher your the bozos who started this mess its your fault not the government and these wolves were not planted her the American people wanted the wolf back only 5% of Americans hunt or hate wolves the other 95% support having the wolf. your out numbered your no worse then pork barrel palin and her game administration who kills pregnant wolf moms and bears and who shots pups at point blank range. why not kill pregnant mothers shot their kids in the head point blank its the same thing you hillbilly’s just don’t have the heart to realize it on wildlife. you fucking pricks need to get an education not listening to faggots like gillett or his other swine. hunters have small dicks they feel macho murdering wildlife for a sport to justify their small dicks your the sport killers not the wolf. you fucking pigs make me sick their are people who save wildlife by sabotaging hunting and i support it. im no nazi and if i was it go out and kill all you pricks id be doing nature a favor and elk are not going extinct by the wolves its the hunter and poachers responsible on the elk decline you kill the strong or any elk with a rack leaving the weak to breed even more week animals in the elk heard and that is why the elk are declining not to mention wolves taking down even more week animals its your own fault this happened. not the wolf. theirs no where else the wolves could of came from that were here before we brought them back down to their territory unless they were water creatures and grew fur and legs that’s BS their is no other place the wolves could of came from. the gray wolf fought off the dire wolf the dire wolf was the first wolf in the US but then the gray wolf toke over the dire wolf territory. Canada was the only place the could of survived the extinction they fled up to where you could no longer finish them off and their was no way they could come back down because they were not protected and would of been shot even if they were trying to reclaim their turf so we did nature a favor to help them out and create the ESA for them. the ESA did not exist in the 30’s it wasn’t until the sixties or seventies where the ESA was made and the wolf got listed as endangered and in 95 we helped nature and the wolf and protected it from hillbilly’s like you and now we still don’t have enough for a great population. if you want to save elk then the elk and deer season must be put on hold for 3 years and i beat the elk and deer population will recover. me a nazi no sir its you you pricks were like the Romans who executed the christens think of the wolves as the Christians and your the Romans who were executing the Christians AKA the wolf let that soak in to that piglet brain of yours. your the confederate good ol boy hillbilly nazis not us your southern hicks killed the African Americans and had slavery your the nazi.
You’re an idiot, blaming me for ancestor’s actions, that is the dumbest thing I ever heard of. In that case let’s not just convict the murder but his whole family as well. First off I don’t know if my distant relatives were involved in those actions and I doubt you know if any of yours were involved. For all you know your relatives were a part of it.
Elk were not in a long term decline until after these non-native Canadian wolves were dumped here. Elk populations were stable and healthy prior to the dumping of Canadian grey wolves here. Canadian biologists even warned us that our ecosystem could not handle this kind of predator… did the idiots who dumped these wolves here listen… of course not. They wanted their experiment, they got it and now we are paying for it and idiots like you want to continue it. I think the majority are in agreement that it is time to start controlling the wolf population in some manner. Just where do you get your 5% and 95%? That is undoubtedly a number you just made up.
Again these wolves were planted here… the dipshits who ran this experiment even admit to it that they are not genetically identical however they are as close as they could get. The wolves that roamed these parts were not totally extinct until introduction of the Canadian grey wolf. Some key differences are that the native wolves were not as large, not as aggressive and they did not kill for sport. Canis Lupus Irremotus is the wolf that was originally here. The non native species that you dumped here is canis lupus occidentalis. Obviously you do not understand that there are several sub species of the grey wolf. You did not
People like you decided to play god and introduce a non-native species to this area. That non-native species is now wreaking havoc on wildlife that is native to this area. You say we need 3000 wolves. Do you know what it would take for this ecosystem to support 3000 wolves? One wolf will eat approximately 1000 pounds of meat a year. That means 3,000,000 pounds of meat a year to support 3000 wolves. That means around 15,000 elk would die each year in Idaho alone because of wolves. That does not even count all the sport kills so it would probably be more like 25,000. Our ecosystem cannot support the number of wolves we have today, another 1000 or more wolves would only weaken it even further.
“your the confederate good ol boy hillbilly nazis not us your southern hicks killed the African Americans and had slavery your the nazi.” Confederates were folks south of the mason-dixon line. As has been the case throughout your posts you obviously cannot comprehend what has been said. I live in Idaho…. That means I am neither a confederate nor a southerner. I’m sure these concepts are well beyond your realm of comprehension.
Your analogy to the Romans does not work. We want to fix what people like you fucked up. That’s not even close to the persecution on non Catholics. In fact if anything that analogy would apply to you. The persecution of non Catholics was about forcing views upon another person. People like you can definitely be compared to the Nazis, the communists and all who persecuted non Catholics. You want to force your ideas on the rest of the world, everything from gun control to hunting, to bunny hugging and tree hugging. You think that your line of thought is the only one that is correct. To me that falls right in line with all the bigots, racists and supremacists out there. People like you are their equal. You are a close minded person who has a severely distorted sense of reality, if any sense at all, and thinks all should think, act and look alike. One word can sum this up, socialism or communism, take your pick.
You are without exception the most ignorant person I have ever spoken to. Hunting is not something that is associated as part of “the west”. It is something that can be found in every corner of the U.S .and most other parts of the world. In one part of your post you support hunting in another you want it completely banned. Just what is “trophy hunting? I already know what your response will be. Here is your answer: It is where people go out and kill the largest animal they can, take the antlers/horns and leave the rest. Here’s my response: If you knew anything about hunting you would know that is illegal. You think we should let the wolf population grow to 3000 then control it, but we should ban hunting. How’s that going work? You don’t believe in killing yet you would support killing hunters (there’s a real gem for you). You state “Canada was the only place the could of survived the extinction they fled up to where you could no longer finish them off and their was no way they could come back down because they were not protected and would of been shot even if they were trying to reclaim their turf”. You obviously do not realize that animals do not have the mental capacity of humans; they do not have the capability to have the complex thought process that we do. If they did then all animals would flee and not come back due to hunting pressure, or they would design their own weapons and hunt us instead. You stated “you dumb hicks should of gone extinct…”. Again you contradict yourself. You fight so hard to prevent the extinction of one living organism yet you call for the extinction of another. Are you beginning to see just how distorted your thought processes are?
You said “you fucking pricks need to get an education not listening to faggots like gillett or his other swine”…. Do you really want to discuss who needs the education? To all here it is quite clear who needs one. I don’t listen to Ron Gillette… unlike many other people in this world I do not need anybody else to tell me what my opinion should be. Unlike you I have the ability to form my own thoughts and opinions and people like you will never be able to force feed me anything. Freedom of speech is a great thing, however I think there should be a certain threshold IQ level for you to be allowed to speak and your IQ level, without question, is significantly below that threshold.
Sometimes it is better to keep your mouth shut and let one think you are a fool than to open it and remove all doubt.
“Shoot, Shovel and Shut up”
your one dumb cocksucking shit kicker you fag the wolf is a smart animal you anti wolf pricks don’t know anything. like i said hunting now is nothing but a blood sport and not a sport to survive. now a days hunting is a sport more then for survival just tell me where the wolf came from that was here before the wolf here now are the same those scientists get paid by rich sportsman to keep the truth out of the picture the sportsman is out numbered their are more wolf advocates in the world then inbreeds you fags don’t go by the real facts like i said you go by what ron gillett and his other swine go by you get your distorted facts from them and the F&G say lies as well they don’t have the real facts they get theirs from the ignorant sportsman who tell lies and not from the real scientists. the hunter is responsible for elk decline like i said you take down the strong which leaves the week to breed making more week elk and that just puts more week elk food for the wolf it your actions that is doing the decline that is what F&G can’t understand because the F&G is manipulated by sportsman and scientists who get paid to do so. and hunting can get banned it will be a big proccess and with Obama in office which im responsible for why he got elected. salazar went above the Obama administration head salazar is a rancher and me advocates and my friend in cali have a petition to get him out of office ill get DOW to join in the fight i hope the judge passes DOW plan and stop the process. not to mention a wolf seasson reducing wolf numbers will cause more livestock attacks because the pack gets week with no leader they will go for easy prey. if elk tags are not sold for a few yearswith no human impact the elk will regenerate and their will be plenty elk again. the amount of cougars and bears that F&G say are around are a lie ive been in the back woods and have not seen any because their population is low. you full of shit you said I don’t listen to Ron Gillette… don’t be a brown shiter by the BS you said in every one of your blogs it is exactly the same shit Gillett says to people the same thing what every one of your blogs say just admit it and stop being a fag not killing hunters i wish no what i really meant is just sabotaging their hunts to save the deer and elk scare away the deer and elk and save them from death. how would you like it if your were a deer strolling down to a pond for a drink you barely put your tongue in the water then bang a bullet blows your head off blood is everywhere what a blood sport hunting is. wolves keep the balance hunters make the elk herds worse leaving more week elk for the wolf an the elk decline on your actions. your the ones fucking up the elk not the wolf. hey i will be in the field studying the wolf this summer getting the real facts out and if i had the money id buy all the forest land fence it off saving animals. so its You who want to force your bull shit ideas and bull shit lies about the wolf on the rest of the world. your BS won’t work.
Does anyone else get the impression that the past few posts here come from someone sadly suffering from multiple personality disorder?
At a minimum, he/they suffer from SPD: single paragraph disorder.
A hint: if you want someone to actual read your inane rantings, you might take a breath or insert a line break once in awhile.
I am still waiting to see that heartbreaking pictures of wolves who ate only the delicacy of the hearts of fetuses, though.
I would like more creativity. Something like:
“Reckless French-fellating unhinged sushi-eating moonbat.”
What the fuck? Your so gay go and fuck yourself if you don’t like wolves don’t fucking speak anymore. And for the record pogie A hint: if you want someone to actually read your ranting, you might take a breath or stick it where the sun don’t shine. its insane not inane you spelled it wrong you fag. I’m not insane I’m not SPD you anti wolfers are the insane nuts telling the rest of the people lies about wolfs that are not true and how the wolf eats. The wolf actually comes back to its kill and their are other predators that feed on the carcass the wolf does not waste its kill. it does not start eating from the ass of its kill then leave it for waste that is BS I stick to my point hunting now is a blood sport. its not what it was when your granddaddy’s were around those pictures by Ron Gillett are nothing but BS and is not true. The sportsman for fish and wildlife along with the cattle association well they tell lies about the wolf just like F&G does. People have no right to decide what should/ should not be killed when it comes to wolves. Just look all the success humans have brought trying to change nature. GLOBAL WARMING! Hey if fox hunting in the UK is banned which it is then its possible to ban hunting in the U.S. just have government people to control the game population then no one has to worry. You can’t trust hunters but the government wildlife agency can be trusted with game control. This is no longer your world hunters its time for change.
you hunters and haters to dumb to understand wolves let me give you some wolf 101 This FAQ is about Wolves and basic facts about them.
1)What is a Wolf?
2)What are they?
3)What constitutes a pack? What is a pack for?
4)How many Wolves can be in a pack?
a) What do they eat?
5)Where do they live?
6)How many species of Wolves exist?
7)What is the greatest enemy/rival of Wolves?
a)Reasons.
8)Recent History — War for the Wolf
a)The Past — War Against the Wolf
9)Closing
1)What is a Wolf?
Wolves are a species of canid, the ancestors of dogs.
They have been around for more than a million years.
They are predators, who make sure prey species don’t
grow out of control to keep the environment in balance.
Keeping prey in line keeps vegetation in line.
2)What are they?
Wolves are canids who form packs.
Packs are family units that allow Wolves to be able to hunt and survive.
3)What constitutes a pack?
Wolf packs consist of many members. One is, the Alpha Male,
who is the male leader of the male Wolves of the pack.
Another is the Alpha Female, who presides over all the female Wolves of the pack.
The Beta’s are the male and female that are the second in command. You
also have standard members of the pack who hold no rank.
And the lowest of rank, is the Omega.
The Omega’s role is to relieve stress and is the scapegoat for activity within the pack.
TO BE CONTINUED PATRT 2 What is a pack for?
They as said before are family units, but are also an efficient means to hunt prey.
Hunting prey by themselves is risky and the risks of death are higher.
Thus although Lone Wolves exist, they usually are not Lone for long.
a)What are Lone Wolves?
Lone Wolves are usually yearlings who want to form their own packs.
They do this by leaving the pack and seeking another Lone Wolf.
4)How many Wolves can be in a pack?
It can be from at least 2 and as many as 15.
a)What do they eat?
A variety of prey. Though one of their most common prey is Elk.
5)Where do they live?
In the United States, it is in Montana, Wyoming, Idaho, Michigan, Wisconsin,
Minnesota, Wisconsin and Alaska. They live in a small fraction of their former range.
Before the subsequent colonization of the U.S., they lived in the entire country.
They are also in China, Asia, India, and even in the Middle East.
TO BE CONTINUED PART 3 6)How many species of Wolves exist?
Many. Here are the ones that are known to exist, along with their ranges.
Some are also extinct, and their former ranges are listed.
Wolves in North America:
Gray Wolf = Canis Lupus
Range = U.S. (15% of former range), Canada
Arctic Wolf = Canis lupus arctos
Range = Ellemere and Melville Islands
Eastern Timber Wolf = Canis lupus lyacon
Range = southeastern Canada to New England
(Possibly the same species as Canis Rufus)
Buffalo Wolf or Great Plains Wolf = Canis lupus nubilus
Range = North American Plains
(Extinct in this region)
NOTE: Some speculate that they still may be in Michigan, Minnesota, and Wisconsin.
Mackenzie Valley Wolf = Canis lupus occidentalis
Range = Alaska and the Western part of Canada
Mexican Gray Wolf = Canis lupus baileyi
Range = Southeastern Arizona, New Mexico, Southwestern Texas
(Extinct and only existing in Captivity and reintroduction efforts that are ongoing) (Rehnmark pg. 14)
Red Wolf = Canis rufus
Range = Southeastern U.S. but also once roamed Eastern Canada and Central Texas. (Rehnmark pg. 16)
Wolves in South America
Maned Wolf [Thanks to Agnes Corbett of Care2.com]
Wolves in Africa
Ethiopian Wolf = Canis simensis
Range = Ethiopian Highlands
(Population is nearly extinct) (Rehnmark pg. 17)
Wolves in Europe and parts of Asia:
Common Wolf = Canis lupus lupus
Range = Europe and Russia
Tundra Wolf = Canis lupus albus
Range = Northern Russia and Northern Scandinavia (Rehnmark pg. 15)
Wolves in Asia:
Steppe Wolf = Canis lupus campestris
Range = Central Asia
Ezo Wolf of Hokkaido = Canis lupus hattai
Range = Hokkaido, Japan
(Extinct)
TO BE CONTINUED PART 4 Honshu Wolf = Canis lupus hodophilax
Range = Honshu, Japan
Tibetan Wolf = Canis lupus langier
Range = China, Mongolia, and Tibet
Indian Wolf = Canis lupus pallipes
Range = India (Rehnmark pg. 15)
Wolves in the Middle East:
Iraq Wolf = Canis lupus pallipes
Range = Iraq (also ranges in Israel, Saudi Arabia and Turkey)
Southern Arabian Wolf = Canis lupus Arabs
Range = Saudi Arabia, as well as Israel (Rehnmark pg. 15)
7)What is the greatest enemy/rival of Wolves?
Humans are still a threat to the survival of Wolves everywhere.
This includes: Ranchers who still want to kill them. The U.S. Fish and Wildlife Service.
The Department of Natural Resources, and others.
TO BE CONTINUED PART 5 a)Stories of them being demons, monsters and harbingers of death still run rampant.
The lack of animal husbandry practices
(Predator Friendly Ranching and other methods at http://www.heartofthewolf.org/source.html)
being used, and lack of education about Wolves, in addition to collaboration efforts failing,
causes them to still appear as villains.
Co-existence is difficult as most humans are unwilling to
live with non-human kin in peace and respect it as they would respect themselves.
TO BE CONTINUED PART 6 8)A history of the recent decade up until now about Wolves is here:
http://www.heartofthewolf.org/WolvesArticle.pdf and Action Alerts and current
issues the Wolves face can be found here..http://www.heartofthewolf.org/index2.htm
9)Closing
I hope this FAQ will give more of an informative look at the Wolves.
I hope that this will also inspire more people to help protect the Wolves.
I hope that it will get more people to bring peace between Humans and Wolves
without violence and bloodshed against more Wolves. PS the system did not let me post the full one pager article so its in parts but please get educated not fagated
and just which one was native to ID, MT, WY? How convient of you to leave that one out. And which one did they dump here? Everything else you have said in your entire post is a waste of time. Virtually nothing in your post has anything to do about what is going on here (ID, MT, WY) and now. It’s one that you don’t mention. Canis lupus irremotus that was native to the area and is now extinct. And now, by your own admittance canis lupus occidentalis is a canadian wolf. That is what you dumped here. A non- native wolf. So nice of you to finally admitt to that although it is in a round about way.
the Canadian wolf was the native wolf and are the same wolf that was here before they got exterminated just like what the biologists said that is true the biologist said the wolf here now is the same as the last wolf. these wolves were not dumped here like gillette said which you go by. it was the general public who wanted the wolf restored only a small amount opposed the reintroduction same species different name since it came from a different region and was called different. even before the reintroduction their was one only one wolf remained that was native to the state and survived the execution. and that native wolf and the female that came from British Columbia created the first pack ever in the state. i believe they were called the white cloud pack and that is how the wolf population in Idaho got started. other wolves had spread to the tri state area but i know their are no wolves in Washington or Oregon as their is no protection for them in those states and not enough wolves to roam to other places and their is no management plan to insure their survival in those states. reality if the anti wolf coalition and the sportsman for fish and wildlife were shut down and if we got otter out of office and replaced him heck i would support wolf management but since we have those ignorant people out of check i don't support wolf management the Nez pierce tribe have been quiet for a while i don't trust them either as they can't see we have jerks like the anti wolf coalition nate helm of sportsman for fish and wildlife and otter as they cause problems and will cause trouble on wolf management wolf management will just give more flexible capabilities to the people who want to exterminate the wolf again like you,gillett and nate helm not to mention the cattle association and the NRA N.ational R.edneck A.ssociation. you wanna know a true redneck town Idaho city yes they got trashy trailer parks covered in junk like any hillbilly would have and all they can do is inbreed have kids with no teethe eat out of straws and F….. the farm animals and brew moonshine that is what i consider small town folks. and if your not one who lives in Idaho city and any other small town don't get pissy just laugh
Gray Wolf = Canis Lupus
Range = U.S. (15% of former range Canada) that is your answer to your question to which wolf was native to ID,MT,WY it was the Canadian wolf it was not realized back then like it is now. and hers the truth the cattle are not native to the U.S. but the wolf is. the only reason wolves got exterminated in the first place was because it was the greedy white man with his non native cattle. and now people want a repeat of the 19th century but they are not getting it.
Ever heard of natural selection? Weak, injured and old are removed first by predatory species.
Population crashes are natural occurrences when one population goes down the other recovers. This is the way it has been for thousands of years before even the arrival of the ancestors of the native Americans. Wildlife Management is not about balance either, it is about making life better for the special interest groups such as hunters and ranchers. human hunters who are a big part of elk decline taking down the strong leaving the week to create more week elk in the herd and it causes more week elk to get killed by wolves so its the hunter responsible for elk decline wolves are just taking down the week that hunters created by taking the strong or any with a nice rack that would look good on their mantel piece.with in the next century mostly all animals will go extinct due to climate change. won't be surprised if a huge fire breaks out in the mountains which will cause the vegetation to decline and with the elk season after wards the hunters will cause the elk to go extinct not the wolf that's if a huge fire happens this summer by climate change as the forest service does not control forest fires. and wolf management will just cause more livestock attacks you take out the leader of the pack the pack gets week and can't hunt its natural prey so it will go after easier prey like cattle. F&G don't see this at all they just go for the interest in hunters above wildlife they don't care a dam about wildlife
http://www.fs.fed.us/database/feis/animals/mammal...
Ssp. irremotus – Idaho, western Montana, Wyoming, Alberta, and the
western fringes of Washington and Oregon
Ssp. occidentalis – northern Alberta and Saskatchewan,
northeastern British Columbia, and central
Manitoba, into the Yukon and the Northwest
Territories
http://www.yellowstone-bearman.com/wolves.html
Note where it is that the wolves that were “reintroduced” were captured from. C.L. Irremotus did not inhabit areas this far north. What they imported was C.L. Occidentalis. C.L. Occidentalis is not native to this area.
"shoot, Shovel and Shut up"
Part 2
http://gf.state.wy.us/wildlife/wildlife_managemen...
See page 1 para 1 for the type of wolf they dumped here. Again it is a wolf that is not native to this area.
“Fish and Game biologists are particularly concerned about elk numbers in the upper Clearwater drainage, where in recent years, hunter opportunities have been reduced by 90 percent and where wolf predation is the primary cause of poor calf survival and a 13 percent average annual decline in the number of adult female elk, which is key to population stability.”
“Steve Nadeau, F&G's large-carnivore biologist, said each wolf kills 14 to 18 elk annually, based on research done in Idaho.”
http://www.conservationnw.org/scat/agency-cries-w...
“It was a sad day in late March when the federal government removed gray wolves (Canis lupus occidentalis) from the endangered species list in the Northern Rockies.” More admittance that this is the non- native species that was dumped on us.
Part 3
I’ve shown you people time and again from numerous varying sources that what is being done here is crap. You idiots have a dumped a wolf on us that is not native to this area. You’ve created a disaster and now you are too proud and arrogant (or in some cases to stupid(wolf whokillshuntes)) to admit that you have done damage to this ecosystem that is irreversible unless we remove virtually all of the wolves in this area.
Part 4
“scientist” took wolves from another area, claimed genetically they were close enough and duped many people into believing this was the right thing to do. These wolves were taken from Dawson Creek in Northern British Columbia and Hinton in Northern Alberta. These wolves were not of the sub species that was native to this area. Many of those that were duped choose to remain duped as they refuse to open their eyes and recognize that there is a problem. They had no right transplanting an animal here that was not here naturally. As a result we have every right to remove them permanently and completely from this part of the continent. Just think of these wolves as illegal immigrants, except instead of capturing them and returning them their home range we shoot every one of them. It doesn’t take a tag and hunting license to kill a wolf, just a rifle and bullets.
Part 5
Do you ever get your facts right? There are wolves in both Washington and Oregon. There does not have to be a management plan or protection in place for wolves to survive. Furthermore there are protections in place for those wolves. As usual more misinformation from you people. Checkout the websites below.
http://www.conservationnw.org/wildlife-habitat/wo...
http://www.oregonlive.com/environment/index.ssf/2...
Part 6
IDFG cares more about the wildlife in this state than your pea sized brain could imagine. If there were no wildlife they would have no job. As usual I find that I have to repeat myself because you could not comprehend what I said the first time. Hunters and fishermen contribute the vast majority of the IDFG budget. Now follow me closely here as you are liable to get lost on this complex trail. If there were no wildlife to hunt then there would be no hunters if there are no hunters then IDFG has a significantly smaller budget. If IDFG does a poor job of managing the wildlife then the quality will decrease the result of that is non-resident hunters will choose a different state to hunt. This means IDFG must put forth a conscionable effort to protect the wildlife in this state. This also means that if that wildlife in this state is in peril due to anything, including wolves, they will minimize the publicity that gets. If they don’t they will also lose their non-resident hunters.
Part 7
IDFG has huge amounts at stake by not properly managing wildlife. IDFG is finally starting to take actions that clearly state a problem exists. They are reducing the number of elk hunters can harvest. Given what I have just said about their mentality this is huge. For them to admit there is a problem means that the problem is real (duh). These decisions they have made for the future hunts in Idaho will negatively impact their budget, they are not made lightly.
Hunter’s shooting animals in their prime does not leave just the weak to breed. For starters you would have to learn more about the timing of hunting seasons vs the rut (do you even know what the rut is?). In addition to that you would have to understand the dynamics of herd management…. That one is clearly way beyond your realm of cognitive ability. You would also have to learn about how hunter success rates are tied to annual herd growth rates. These all point to math and statistics and other subjects that are clearly over your head
Part 8
Most hunters do not take a “trophy” size animal. You act like every hunter takes a trophy. Try getting your facts right. If you look at the number of trophies actually taken you would be surprised at how low it is. Having a certain number of dominant animals taken each year is actually healthier. This in addition to the way nature handles it, prevents inbreeding for the most part. Inbreeding is one way of creating inferior animals.
Part 9
Again you have more of your “facts” wrong. The forest service does control fires. Even the ones they don’t control they control. How’s that you say. The ones they don’t control are in areas that have previously been identified as areas requiring a controlled burn. What’s the purpose of a controlled burn? It’s to remove extra fuels from the forest in an effort to reduce the chance or severity of a fire in a given area. If a fire is started in that area through whatever means then they will allow it to just burn, however they will keep it contained to the area that has been identified. Most fires however the forest service and other agencies do everything they can to extinguish. Do think that hotshots, smoke jumpers and heli-tak crews are paid to just hangout, BBQ and drink beer all summer? You have got to be the least informed person on the face of this planet. City slickers… go figure.
Part 9
As for the whole Idaho City comment, in addition to all the other real gems you have dropped here, you are without exception the dumbest person I have ever met, and I have met quite a few. Your financial superiority and intellectual capacity just shines through. You have to be a real idiot and bigot to think these kinds of things about people just because they live where and how they do. In fact from your demonstrated lack of comprehension, writing and cohesive thought processes I would have thought you would be one who is the disfigured byproduct of inbreeding. You are truly a waste of oxygen and I doubt any degree of ventilation would increase your intellectual capability. I am from a small town, have always lived in a small town, and will always live in a small town yet I’ve clearly demonstrated repeatedly that my intellectual capacity is far superior to yours. Once again I prove something a bunny hugger is spouting off to be unfounded, imagine that.
“Shoot, Shovel and Shut up”
ill shoot shovel and shut up when your a dead mother fucker and i mount you on my wall i will sabotage the hunting season this fall in my state and us city slickers are better then you cow punchers. those sites you posted is just made up by the rich higher up hunting and ranching industry who pay scientist to lie to the public. why F&g go by the sportsman and ignore the general public is beyond me it just shows how incompetent F&G is on managing wildlife and wolf management will cause more livestock attacks you can't control wolves like other animals. and the truth is your the uneducated hillbilly who can't shut your fucking hole your anti science won't do jack shit to change the American peoples mind on wolves more support the wolf and more support on banning hunting and trophy hunting. wolves represent wild and free the eagle represents America freedom if you kill a wolf we can hunt bald eagles go fuck yourself FAG!!!
And until YOU can major in anything besides bullshit you don't tell me my education is flawed, because really, half the crap you post is laughable.
"we don't need them" we don't need people like you either. Really, thats the same way people thought about black people back in the day 'we don't need them, they are worthless' just the same way that Hitler thought of the jews, gays, blacks and all those other people. Jesus christ, you are stupid. It wouldn't hurt you to go to college and get a education, MR.
LMAO the whole reason they were brought bac was BECAUSE the ecosystem here was so messed up.
If you were a damned respectable hunter you would see that, you would RESPECT wolves and UNDERSTAND that they help more than YOU do. I don't CARE if you backwoods idiots don't want them there. YOU move.
your a fucking poser! wolves belong in this world and you fucking losers are crying how they kill elk when its you hurting the elk? you want the truth you cant handle the fucking truth!! If you can't live with wolves than move to PA, where the deer are over populated as all hell! you are a complete total idiot. I say we get rid of the stupid, useless people such as yourself before we get rid of the wolves. You're as stubborn as a mule, you have no god damned sense at all.i heard you tried to pair up with a donkey but when the donkey fought for its life it kicked your hillbilly ass LOL
Thanks, once again you prove what I have said about you and your general lack of cognitive abitilities to be true. This is precisely the kind of post I would expect when I hit the nail right on the head. Thanks for validating and verifying everything I have said slick.
"shoot, Shovel and Shut up"
we can only pray that parvo or some type of disease will wipe out the wolves. we will never be able to. the wolves will kill all the elk deer and moose at the rate they are going. to the people who are for the wolves go for a drive in early spring on the northfork of the clearwater and see the mass slaughter. the wolves don’t even eat their kill. it is so sadl…
All you stupid and ignorant fools that want to wipe out Wolves should be banished from the USA. Try getting your facts straight, you Idaho morons wanted the Grey Wolf reintroduced into the Northern Rockies because the ecosystem was dying. The trees were not growing as tall or as full, streams lacked fish, all because no preditor was there. This was 35 years ago. In a matter of a few short years and the Wolfs did their job and the Northern Rockies were flourishing. Yeah kill wolves, what stupid hicks
Wolves have been around long before e were, and the dog is a direct a decendant of the Wolf. All you Wolf killers would you kill all the dogs too? Kill whats left of the Polar bears, Tigers, lions, Snow leopards. Human Beings interfere in something they have no business interfering with, that being Nature and Animals. Humans are the virus that infect this planet now and won’t stop till nothing is left. And to Governer “Butch” buttwipe Otter I wish you the worst of everything.
kill all the wolves knows what he is talking about. that is one person at least. i agree with everything you say. keep up the good work.
i prefer to gut shoot and shut up because then you don’t go by the wolf. you can get nailed pretty hard if you have been anywhere near a poached wolf. i am using some of your facts for an english essay i have to do on the trouble with wolves in Idaho. i hope that is all right.
Riley, we idaho people didn’t want the wolves. other people decided for us. there are predators anyway. ever seen a coyote? the only thing wolves are good for is killing coyotes. coyotes probably kill at LEAST 50 deer a year within 2 square miles of my house. we don’t need any help from wolves. if humans are the virus that infect this planet maybe you should go live on the moon like this other treehugger wanted to from another website. then you wouldn’t have to be by people
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