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		<title>By: Muslims Against Sharia</title>
		<link>http://intelligentdiscontent.com/2008/07/16/these-are-crimes-now/comment-page-1/#comment-46213</link>
		<dc:creator>Muslims Against Sharia</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 21 Jul 2008 06:59:49 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;b&gt;Hypocrisy of the &quot;Repatriate Omar Khadr to Canada&quot; Movement&lt;/b&gt;

As soon as the Gitmo interrogation tape of Omar Khadr hit the Internet, the blogosphere was flooded with demands to repatriate him to Canada. This wave is reminiscent of a Soviet campaign to free Luis Corvalán from the &quot;fascist regime&quot; of Augusto Pinochet thirty five years ago. The scenario is strikingly similar. A &quot;victim&quot; held by &quot;fascist regimes&quot; this time run by Bush and Harper, and a public outcry for justice. Except for the fact that Luis Corvalán didn&#039;t kill anyone and didn&#039;t fight for a terrorist group that wants to impose Sharia.

The &quot;repatriate Khadr&quot; crowd describes him as &quot;a child&quot;, &quot;a kid&quot;, &quot;a boy&quot;, and even &quot;a torture victim&quot;, with no facts to substantiate the torture claims notwithstanding. They complain about Khadr being mistreated, again, without anything to back up their claims. Some of them are outraged about &quot;child abuse.&quot; And they all scream for justice.

They want justice? OK, let&#039;s talk about JUSTICE. What about justice for Sgt. First Class Christopher J. Speer, who was (according to an eyewitness) murdered by this &quot;child&quot;? What about justice for Tabitha Speer, who is a widow because of this &quot;kid&quot;? What about justice for Taryn and Tanner Speer, who are left without a father by this &quot;a boy&quot;? And what about all those Afghani civilians and NATO troops who are a little bit safer because this &quot;torture victim&quot; is behind bars? How many of these &quot;repatriate Khadr&quot; hypocrites concern themselves with justice for real victims? In literally hundreds of posts, we couldn&#039;t find a single one.

One would ask, what is the reason for this idiocy? The answer is simple. Ignorance. Complete and utter ignorance. Let&#039;s forget for a second that Omar Khadr killed Christopher Speer. Let&#039;s forget that Khadr&#039;s father was an al Qaeda financier. Let&#039;s forget that Khadr&#039;s family is known for it being al Qaeda sympathizers. Let&#039;s just remember what this &quot;child&quot; was fighting for in Afghanistan.

&lt;b&gt;This is what Taliban-imposed Sharia looks like in real life:&lt;/b&gt; &lt;a href=&quot;http://muslimsagainstsharia.blogspot.com/2000/07/hypocrisy-of-repatriate-omar-khadr-to.html&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;http://muslimsagainstsharia.blogspot.com/2000/07/hypocrisy-of-repatriate-omar-khadr-to.html&lt;/a&gt;

Why don&#039;t all of you, bleeding heart demagogues go to Afghanistan and spend a day in a Taliban-controlled territory? And let&#039;s talk about Khadr when you get back. If you get back.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><b>Hypocrisy of the &#8220;Repatriate Omar Khadr to Canada&#8221; Movement</b></p>
<p>As soon as the Gitmo interrogation tape of Omar Khadr hit the Internet, the blogosphere was flooded with demands to repatriate him to Canada. This wave is reminiscent of a Soviet campaign to free Luis Corvalán from the &#8220;fascist regime&#8221; of Augusto Pinochet thirty five years ago. The scenario is strikingly similar. A &#8220;victim&#8221; held by &#8220;fascist regimes&#8221; this time run by Bush and Harper, and a public outcry for justice. Except for the fact that Luis Corvalán didn&#8217;t kill anyone and didn&#8217;t fight for a terrorist group that wants to impose Sharia.</p>
<p>The &#8220;repatriate Khadr&#8221; crowd describes him as &#8220;a child&#8221;, &#8220;a kid&#8221;, &#8220;a boy&#8221;, and even &#8220;a torture victim&#8221;, with no facts to substantiate the torture claims notwithstanding. They complain about Khadr being mistreated, again, without anything to back up their claims. Some of them are outraged about &#8220;child abuse.&#8221; And they all scream for justice.</p>
<p>They want justice? OK, let&#8217;s talk about JUSTICE. What about justice for Sgt. First Class Christopher J. Speer, who was (according to an eyewitness) murdered by this &#8220;child&#8221;? What about justice for Tabitha Speer, who is a widow because of this &#8220;kid&#8221;? What about justice for Taryn and Tanner Speer, who are left without a father by this &#8220;a boy&#8221;? And what about all those Afghani civilians and NATO troops who are a little bit safer because this &#8220;torture victim&#8221; is behind bars? How many of these &#8220;repatriate Khadr&#8221; hypocrites concern themselves with justice for real victims? In literally hundreds of posts, we couldn&#8217;t find a single one.</p>
<p>One would ask, what is the reason for this idiocy? The answer is simple. Ignorance. Complete and utter ignorance. Let&#8217;s forget for a second that Omar Khadr killed Christopher Speer. Let&#8217;s forget that Khadr&#8217;s father was an al Qaeda financier. Let&#8217;s forget that Khadr&#8217;s family is known for it being al Qaeda sympathizers. Let&#8217;s just remember what this &#8220;child&#8221; was fighting for in Afghanistan.</p>
<p><b>This is what Taliban-imposed Sharia looks like in real life:</b> <a href="http://muslimsagainstsharia.blogspot.com/2000/07/hypocrisy-of-repatriate-omar-khadr-to.html" rel="nofollow">http://muslimsagainstsharia.blogspot.com/2000/07/hypocrisy-of-repatriate-omar-khadr-to.html</a></p>
<p>Why don&#8217;t all of you, bleeding heart demagogues go to Afghanistan and spend a day in a Taliban-controlled territory? And let&#8217;s talk about Khadr when you get back. If you get back.</p>
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		<title>By: The Polish Wolf</title>
		<link>http://intelligentdiscontent.com/2008/07/16/these-are-crimes-now/comment-page-1/#comment-46185</link>
		<dc:creator>The Polish Wolf</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 18 Jul 2008 01:41:17 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The Taliban was, at the time of the invasion, the closest thing Afghanistan had to a government.  They enforced laws and administered the majority of Afghanistan.  Their crackdown on Opium, for example, showed that they had control of most of the country.  

Therefore, it seems to me that if they had that much authority, then those who fought for them seem to be a military.  Obviously you could argue the opposite, and the situation is more complicated now.  But in the first years of the war, the Taliban were much more like an official military than they are now (even now, though, they are about as legit as the Northern Alliance was in 2001, which is not to say they are not much more horrible.)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The Taliban was, at the time of the invasion, the closest thing Afghanistan had to a government.  They enforced laws and administered the majority of Afghanistan.  Their crackdown on Opium, for example, showed that they had control of most of the country.  </p>
<p>Therefore, it seems to me that if they had that much authority, then those who fought for them seem to be a military.  Obviously you could argue the opposite, and the situation is more complicated now.  But in the first years of the war, the Taliban were much more like an official military than they are now (even now, though, they are about as legit as the Northern Alliance was in 2001, which is not to say they are not much more horrible.)</p>
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		<title>By: bobfunk</title>
		<link>http://intelligentdiscontent.com/2008/07/16/these-are-crimes-now/comment-page-1/#comment-46175</link>
		<dc:creator>bobfunk</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 17 Jul 2008 02:11:08 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Qualifying militant members of the Taliban as members of a &quot;military&quot; is a bit of a stretch and questionable. 
He should have been charged by Canada immediately. Why? Because he&#039;s a citizen.

Please note, I realize I&#039;m sounding a bit neoconish right now... I haven&#039;t been sleeping a lot.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Qualifying militant members of the Taliban as members of a &#8220;military&#8221; is a bit of a stretch and questionable.<br />
He should have been charged by Canada immediately. Why? Because he&#8217;s a citizen.</p>
<p>Please note, I realize I&#8217;m sounding a bit neoconish right now&#8230; I haven&#8217;t been sleeping a lot.</p>
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		<title>By: The Polish Wolf</title>
		<link>http://intelligentdiscontent.com/2008/07/16/these-are-crimes-now/comment-page-1/#comment-46173</link>
		<dc:creator>The Polish Wolf</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 17 Jul 2008 00:41:04 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Canada should absolutely charge him with treason, but I think the fundamental fact is that he has committed no crime against the United States.  One cannot consider a war zone to be the same as if he had thrown a grenade at US soldiers in New York; were that the case he would obviously not be able to stand trial because his arrest and processing were far out of line from criminal standards.  

Lindh seems obvious; however, that too it questionable.  Just going off what my passport says, if you join the military of another nation, you renounce your citizenship.  If I were in charge of this sort of thing, I would read that clause as negating both his criminal rights as a citizen and his obligations to the United States, making him a soldier of what was effectively the Afghan government at the time, and thus giving him rights as a POW.  I agree with right wing opinions that taking up arms against the US in a foreign nation robs you of your right to a civilian trial as a US citizen; however, I would say it also gives you rights as a soldier.  (If you take up arms as a terrorist planning to kill civilians, you are still a soldier, but one committing war crimes and subject to treatment as such.)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Canada should absolutely charge him with treason, but I think the fundamental fact is that he has committed no crime against the United States.  One cannot consider a war zone to be the same as if he had thrown a grenade at US soldiers in New York; were that the case he would obviously not be able to stand trial because his arrest and processing were far out of line from criminal standards.  </p>
<p>Lindh seems obvious; however, that too it questionable.  Just going off what my passport says, if you join the military of another nation, you renounce your citizenship.  If I were in charge of this sort of thing, I would read that clause as negating both his criminal rights as a citizen and his obligations to the United States, making him a soldier of what was effectively the Afghan government at the time, and thus giving him rights as a POW.  I agree with right wing opinions that taking up arms against the US in a foreign nation robs you of your right to a civilian trial as a US citizen; however, I would say it also gives you rights as a soldier.  (If you take up arms as a terrorist planning to kill civilians, you are still a soldier, but one committing war crimes and subject to treatment as such.)</p>
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		<title>By: Bob Funk</title>
		<link>http://intelligentdiscontent.com/2008/07/16/these-are-crimes-now/comment-page-1/#comment-46172</link>
		<dc:creator>Bob Funk</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 16 Jul 2008 23:17:53 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>That fact is that he is a Canadian and should be charged as a Canadian. Obviously, his age at the time of capture should be taken into account, but he does not qualify as a typical enemy combatant. 

The case of John Walker Lindh, in part, illustrates a precedent for this case.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>That fact is that he is a Canadian and should be charged as a Canadian. Obviously, his age at the time of capture should be taken into account, but he does not qualify as a typical enemy combatant. </p>
<p>The case of John Walker Lindh, in part, illustrates a precedent for this case.</p>
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