Comments on: Education Week: Open Thread to Discuss Schools

By: Various & Sundry for the Weekend « 4&20 blackbirds

Various & Sundry for the Weekend « 4&20 blackbirds — Sat, 24 Jan 2009 12:21:35 +0000

[...] Pogie knocked out 4 posts this week on education, kicking it off with Education Week: Open Thread to Discuss Schools. [...]

By: Pogie

Pogie — Fri, 23 Jan 2009 05:07:38 +0000

Just do the research, Larry. There are excellent studies that show that the difference between a highly effective teacher and an ineffective teacher is worth more than a grade level of difference for a student. Just imagine the difference for a student in three highly effective classrooms in the elementary years.

I can’t accept that ‘whining’ about education undermines it. Talking about how to improve it is, imagine this, a way to make it better.

How do you imagine that every teacher is good? Do you attribute superhuman abilities to administrators who make hiring decisions? That schools of education are the infallible and unparalleled in their ability to prepare students?

Get real.

By: Larry Kralj, Environmental Rangers!

Larry Kralj, Environmental Rangers! — Fri, 23 Jan 2009 01:36:09 +0000

What the hell, kids learn REGARDLESS of what happens in the classroom! PERIOD! All this talk about education reform is so much bullshit. Teachers know how to teach. I’m old. I had great teachers. They didn’t have all the fancy computers and high tech bullshit, but we learned! And we learned well. (I went to Catholic schools too for primary grades. No high tech crap there, just the higher authority teach nuns and their rulers! Worked like a charm. If we continually fiddle with education, there won’t be anything left. All who endlessly whine about improving education are simply falling for the rightwing tactic of undermining education. I would wager that I have taught in more Montana schools than anyone posting here, and I have YET to see a bad one. Give it a rest, and allow teachers to teach.

Every NEW teacher thinks that they are the ONE, the one with the special talents to reach kids. After a while, though, they finally realize that they’re just like all other teachers. Just good teachers.

By: Pogie

Pogie — Wed, 21 Jan 2009 23:19:25 +0000

Yeah, it’s definitely an intriguing article. I had a great discussion with some students about it over Christmas break.

Both the idea that spotting talent in teaching is challenging and the idea that teachers should have long term evaluation and development make a lot of sense.

By: Pete Talbot

Pete Talbot — Wed, 21 Jan 2009 19:39:39 +0000

I found this New Yorker piece on education and teachers to be provocative:
http://www.newyorker.com/reporting/2008/12/15/081215fa_fact_gladwell
The football analogies were apropos, too.

By: Best. Comments. Ever. – Missoulapolis

Best. Comments. Ever. – Missoulapolis — Wed, 21 Jan 2009 00:44:48 +0000

[...] LOL. Hat tip Pogie. [...]

By: Carol

Carol — Wed, 21 Jan 2009 00:43:21 +0000

“I did regret the experience of learning to become one.”

I wanted to be a teacher too but those ed school courses…ugh. Something’s got to change.

By: Pogie

Pogie — Mon, 19 Jan 2009 20:26:32 +0000

I definitely agree. I would suggest both adding more classroom time in an internship approach while in college and more evaluative time with a mentor teacher during the first few years of teaching.

I took an unusual path to education: completed an English degree, went to law school for two days, had a crisis of identity, and went back to get an education degree. While I have never regretted the decision to become a teacher, I did regret the experience of learning to become one. Other than student teaching, it felt a lot like wasted time, because I wasn’t directly working with students, to find out what works, or if I was capable of teaching.

Some of my best experiences came my first year of teaching, when I had great evaluators watching me teach. The gave immediate feedback about issues I never would have considered. We definitely need to move past the model of hiring a teacher and hoping that he/she will do a good job behind the closed door of the classroom.

By: Matt Singer

Matt Singer — Mon, 19 Jan 2009 20:19:55 +0000

Steve T. calls for more classroom time for potential teachers over in the comments on Rob’s post. I’ve wondered about that myself — whether pairing an education student for 3 years with a single teacher for a single class may be a good way of teaching someone that this job really is not about thinking through cutting edge content, but of interfacing with students. The more I think about it, the more being a teacher has in common with being a really good manager in a high-turnover industry. You get a new crop every year, do your best to make an impact and teach, give individual attention where needed, and say, “See ya later.” Seeing that in action while getting classroom time to hash out the idea behind that could be very useful, I’d wager.