Representative David Howard Suggests Civil War if Obama is Re-Elected

One of the real challenges those of us in the reality-based community face is that the extremehowardcrazytrain right wing of the Republican Party has gone so far off the deep end that the mainstream media tends ignore their inflammatory, insensitive and even potentially insane remarks.

Representative David Howard is a member of the Montana Legislature, representing HD 60,a leader of the Stillwater County Republicans, and the Chair of the House Human Services Committee. He’s also a member of the Judiciary, Agriculture, and Ethics Committee.

In the past, he’s spewed racist and homophobic remarks online—but today he crossed another line. Today, he advocated another American civil war if President Obama is re-elected.

No, really:

If we lose this election the Secular Socialist Democrats will place two more secular anti-American Justices on the Supreme Court and kill America from within.

This is reality and this will happen if we lose this election!

This could force American Patriots into a Civil war to regain our freedoms. Where we won’t be able to worry about being offended by what some people in a political party do or don’t do!

We’re not talking about some random constitutionalist living in the woods here, but someone the Republican Party in Montana has entrusted with a committee chairmanship in the Legislature. We’re talking about an elected official who is so far removed from reality that he honestly believed a civil war might be necessary if his side loses a political election.

We’re talking about something the media in this state must cover.

The radicalism of the modern Republican Party does offer a profound threat to the republic and to our state. The average voter needs to know that voting for Republicans means putting people like Mr. Howard in positions of real significance, despite his tenuous grasp on civic responsibility, basic history, and even reality.

The political media has an obligation to confront people like Mr. Howard, to expose him for the Un-American fraud that he is. They need to ask the Republican Party to repudiate his offensive views, or failing that, expose their support for his positions.

42 comments
SHAWN RUNNING CRANE
SHAWN RUNNING CRANE

"GOD SHOULD COME DOWN FROM HEAVEN AND TAKE ALL THE HATEFUL PPL. AND DESTROY THEM,........................."oh!",...HE'LL DO THAT IN TIME,...TILL THEN I'LL JUST STAY OUT OF THE POLITICAL ISSUE'S OF THIS COUNTRY AND DO MY PART IN HELPING MY FELLOW MAN COME TO KNOW THE TRUE GOD WHOM I SERVE IN HEAVEN........AND WAIT FOR HIM TO BRING HIS KINGDOM INTO REALIZATION.......IT WILL CRUSH THIS ONE.

George Norvell
George Norvell

I have know Dave for quit some time and he seems to have lost touch with reality . I have never seen him quite like this in the past, he needs to step back and take a deep breath or the people he works with need to say something to him to make him realize what he is saying. I hope everything works out for him and his family.

Anonymous
Anonymous

Are there ways to ensure that a legislator is indeed sane? Don't we have policies that say if someone is not competent to decide on issues related to public safety, that they can be removed from office if they are unfit to serve? I wonder if a citizen can file a complaint against a legislator with concern re: their bias, and their thought processes, that would not allow them to make informed, deliberate decisions? People do get too sick to finish their term, but if they in fact are delusional and paranoid, and have maybe had a psychotic break, how do we go about removing them from office? Anyone out there know?

robert schied
robert schied

this is treason, lock up this fuckin lunetic , before he can spwew more hate .

Robert J. Manning
Robert J. Manning

I have always believed that the Cvil War was brought to an inappropriate conclusion, that amnesty should never have been granted to millions of treasonous Southerners. These traitors should have been locked up for years and Afro-Americans should have been trained to be their prison guards. Onerous terms of surrender should have been the only terms offered by the Union. Now, because of the "forgive and forget" attitude of the Union, rabblerousing traitors like Mr. Howard think they can get away with it again and again, whenever they don't like the results of an election. My only comment to this would be to "Bring It On!" They got away with only a slap on the hand (hundreds of thousands killed in battles) the last time. Next time they might not be as lucky!

pat b
pat b

shouldn't this guy be ordered by the legislature to either renounce his views or resign his legislative seat? I seem to recall you take an oath of office, if you can't swear to defend the constitution, then stop being in office.

Jacob
Jacob

Now Howard is defending crooks, go figure. David Howard recommends an article on The Billings Gazette. 3 hours ago 'Christian bigotry' in Lindeen’s office? YES!

Jake in Alabama
Jake in Alabama

It's too bad that this jack-nose didn't have to demonstrate a command of the English language before being allowed to run for public office. Mr. Howard, it's OK to have a fifth-grade understanding of grammar if you're in the fifth grade.

Anklejive.com
Anklejive.com

This was just posted on his Facebook page a few hours ago: "This morning the Muslim Brotherhood warned the United States that if the United States continued meddling in Egypt, Libya, and other potential hot spots in the Middle East, they intend to cut off America's supply of 7-11 and Motel 6 managers. If this action does not yield sufficient results, cab drivers will be next, followed by Dell, AT&T and AOL customer service reps. Finally, if all else fails, they have threatened not to send us anymore presidents either. It's gonna get ugly, people." This *sshat is a member of Congress????

Don Pogreba
Don Pogreba

Fortunately, just a member of the Legislature, but terrible all the same.

Norma Duffy (@Ilikewoods)
Norma Duffy (@Ilikewoods)

An Unfortunate part of our state and a very small % of Montanans are low information Voters who believe The quicker they start Murdering people, the quicker Jesus will come down to save them. David Howard is part of that group, and the fact that he has a following in his area, tells you where some nuts are located. I feel for all us real Montanans that have to put up with shit from people like him. He and the right wing keep giving all Montana a bad name.

Jacob
Jacob

After reading this blog I took a moment to slosh my way thorough D Howard's vile FB page. He has gone completely crazy, with constant references to war (ie. "look down like god and say vote for principle. Bull shit, we are in a war and down here in the foxhole there is just losing and winning and I’m going to do everything I can to win") and other pee brained conspiracy theories (ie. "The Secular Socialist Progressive Democrat’s will place two more secular anti-American Justices on the Supreme Court and kill America from within. This will force us into a Civil war." But he did take the time to sprinkle in some of his good ol racism, like this like gem; David Howard 19 hours ago This morning the Muslim Brotherhood warned the United States that if the United States continued meddling in Egypt , Libya , and other potential hot spots in the Middle East, they intend to cut off America's supply of 7-11 and Motel 6 managers. If this action does not yield sufficient results, cab drivers will be next, followed by Dell, AT&T and AOL customer service reps. Finally, if all else fails, they have threatened not to send us anymore presidents either. It's gonna get ugly, people

Carol Overland
Carol Overland

So where's David Howard's fb page? It's not popping up. I wanted to comment directly... If it's still there, anyone have a direct link?

Larry Kralj, Environmental Rangers
Larry Kralj, Environmental Rangers

Problem is that decent people in this country have ALLOWED this shit to go unanswered for far too long. There has been no pushback. And the press has been the biggest offender. Hell, any thinking person KNOWS this is crazy talk, but it is not challenged. In fact, the Great Falls Spitoon recently ENCOURAGED the crazy talk by giving a weekly column to an idiot named Snuffy Smith to spout equally offensive nonsense! There is NO accountability for the press! They aid and abett this crap, all in the name of being balanced. Well, CRAZYASS shit is NOT being balanced! It should NOT be legitamized in the press. The truly amazing thing to me also is the amount of latent racism still extant in this country. Of course, it basically exists only among old, fat, baldheaded white guys, but it's still there. The young people of the country have moved on. If we can just wait until all the old farts like this asshole die off, we'll be in pretty good shape! The sooner the better.

Anklejive.com
Anklejive.com

I agree wholeheartedly. The best thing we can to is speak up and speak out. It's interesting that we here in this country wonder why more moderate Muslims don't speak out against the fundamentalists who terrorize, but moderates in this country don't speak out against this type of hyperbole and invective. We're just as guilty. Write letters to the Montana newspapers calling this guy out. As Martin Luther King, Jr. said, "In the end, we will remember not the words of our enemies, but the silence of our friends."

Norma Duffy (@Ilikewoods)
Norma Duffy (@Ilikewoods)

Freedom Of speech means, for every voice who speaks trash like Howard Does, we have to push back with facts with another voice. A voice of reason can come from any Montanan who wishes to stand up and be counted. Is he inciting violence yet? No but he is darn close to it.... Just keep a close watch people! Our country was through this crap before.

Chris
Chris

And he wiill be among the first wanting his electricity back and fresh food.

Mark Curran
Mark Curran

This is what happened in Civil War. The FOX SPEWS of the day - the Southern papers -- had ginned up the hate so much against Lincoln, that when he won (despite not being allowed on the ballot in 9 of 11 slave states) the south as promised attacked. Yes, the South had promised before the election that if LIncoln was elected, they would consider that an act of WAR. You have to read the Southern papers from before, and just after the Civil War. They didn't admit this, they bragged about it. One of the big under appreciated aspects of our Civil War is the radical and hateful rhetoric in Southern papers. It was like hate radio in print. You have to read it to believe it. The hate fed on itself, sort of like nuke fission. The leaders all seemed like talk show hosts on hate radio, trying to out - crazy the other guy. Toombs, the Rush LImbaugh of his day, screamed to cheering fans "EXPAND SLAVERY OR PERISH". The issue was not the preservation of slavery -- at all. To the Southern leaders it was the expansion of slavery. The Southern Ultimatums in Southern papers were quite clear -- spread slavery or face war. This aspect of our history has been brushed aside, apparently thanks to Southern states being able to edit our text books nationally. The only way to really understand the Southern demands is to read them in Southern papers and documents. Good luck finding them in politically correct text books today. Hate is a psychological reality - some say spiritual reality. It goes until stopped. It will not stop on it's own. Something bigger has to stop it. Luckily, we in the US have freedom of speech. The Southern states had passed the totalitarian "anti-incendiary" laws, from 1820s on, which closed down open opposition to slavery in books, speeches, and newspapers. Even preachers could be and were arrested for simply owning books against slavery.

V. Burnett
V. Burnett

You beat me to it, Mark! I was also going to mention that the political atmosphere here in the US is becoming uncomfortably similar to the climate before the civil war. Another point to add to yours is that the North and South reached a point where they could not have civil dialogue because they had couched all of their ideologies in religion. This led to the belief that the other side was not only wrong, they were EVIL and that to engage in civil discourse with them would be a sin. Each side believed that they had a moral imperative to destroy the influence of the other - even if that meant destruction through violence. I think there's plenty of evidence to suggest that we are moving in the same direction. As far as Mr. Howard openly suggesting civil war if the outcome of our Democratic process does not please him, isn't that treason? Considering the violence we've already seen against Democratic leaders, shouldn't authorities be charging these crimes against our state more appropriately and assertively? Our nation needs to make it clear that any organized violence or advocacy of said violence against fellow citizens or their legally elected representatives is an act of war against the union and punishable as such. (Heck - remember the kid that was thrown in the slammer for wearing a mildly anti-Bush tee shirt when GW came to town for a rally? That was over the-top but the Democratic administration's response against this sort of hate-speech should be stronger than it has been.)

C Ltahoe
C Ltahoe

It does sound like possible treason. Not being a lawyer I will have to pass on final judgment. To me it's like yelling 'fire' in a movie theater. While we have the right to free speech under the 1st Amendment, there are probably some limits. This could be one.

kozuyo
kozuyo

This cretin is the definition of "domestic terrorist" send his whining ass to the gulag after waterboarding him.

boddhicitta
boddhicitta

Hatred does not cease by hatred, only by love. This is the eternal rule. - Buddha

Gray
Gray

What does Howard's statement even mean? Yes, sedition is insidious and treasonous... But this man makes no sense. What " Secular Socialist Democrats"? Who's really socialist? "two more secular anti-American Justices on the Supreme Court"??? Two MORE? Who are the anti-American judges there now (besides Alito and Thomas) Who the hell is trying to "kill" America? "This is reality" No. This is paranoid nuttiness. "Where we won’t be able to worry about being offended by what some people in a political party do or don’t do!" That's his definition of our freedoms? Has he ever been to the USA? Planet Earth?

JLinTx
JLinTx

Gray, Well said! And "won't have to worry" struck me, too. Yes it will be a bloody Civil War probably worse than the last one that took more American lives than all our other wars put together, BUT at least we won't have to worry about offending some political party! (At least that is what I think he was saying. There I go trying to make sense out of the nonsensical written by the moronic!)

WillyBoy
WillyBoy

Do these douche canoes even realize that they are the real threat to our Republic? Have ANY of then even read the Constitution? Hell, can they even read?

joseph mckinney
joseph mckinney

I can't believe this party anymore, these guys must get their crazy pills at the same place. do they not realize this damaging our country? just to much hate for me really.

Christi
Christi

I couldn't get past the misspellings and grammatical errors. He spelled Americans, American's, and it just went downhill from there. I live in Seattle and work in a health care facility that treats people from all around the Northwest. I've had several wonderful patients from Montana who are horrified at the vile racism and hatred that's taken over in their state. They talked about signs, openly displayed, which call for the president's death. Stay classy, Montana...stay classy.

Windel
Windel

I say let them do it... Encourage them to do it... May all of their friends join them... They have no aircraft... No tanks... No artillery... No mortars... Any National Guard troop would destroy them... If some of them somehow survive... They have prison to look forward to! That is, unless the courts consider it a capital crime, and kill them anyway...

Anonymous Democrat in MO
Anonymous Democrat in MO

Their network is vast. Their are many businesses who donate to "Joel's Army".It is a "Christain" militia.Some of the members of their networks are cops, judges, service personel, politicians such as Bachman, Palin etc. A few of the businesses connected to this fund are Chick fil A, Hobby Lobby and Amway.They believe that Christ will not return until the entire world are Christians and are prepared to use force. In this belief system, the new testament is largely ignored and the old testament is their primary focus. They have "scripture spin" down to an art form. This dominionist is the "Christian Taliban". Indeed it is a very scary group.

Larry Kralj, Environmental Rangers
Larry Kralj, Environmental Rangers

Ya know, I STILL have yet to have even ONE of these morons answer my question. And my question is this: So, you gonna start a civil war. Fine. WHO YA GONNA SHOOT? (do they ever stop to think that someone might shoot back?) They are idiots. Unfortunately, the newspapers here in Montana LUV to treat these a**holes as legitimate, even going so far as to give them guest editorials! Unconscionable in my book! HAVE THEY NO SHAME? They would let that certifiable idiot, rob natelson, write about a "coming civil war" over abortion! Good frickin' GRIEF! Yes, the press has truly aided and abetted this horrific situation that we find ourselves in where treasonous christo-fascists are given an air of legitimacy! They have absolutely FAILED in their responsibility of being the fourth estate. They are a fifth column!

Larry Kralj, Environmental Rangers
Larry Kralj, Environmental Rangers

"anti-god"?? What an asshole of a man. It's time. No matter how painful it is, EVERYONE must familiarize themselves with these looney, christofascist, anti-American assholes! I suggest that you start by listening daily to AFR radio, american family radio. It's an eye-opening experience for sure. People think I'm using hyperbole with I call them christofascists. I'm not. These are TRUE christofascists. They are part of "The Family", a christian reconstruction or dominionist movement that WANTS a theocracy. And then, if you want to even BEGIN to understand this crazy shit, you must read The Family by Jeff Sharlett. It explains it all. If you don't understand where they're coming from, you can't fight'em.

Laurey Jaros
Laurey Jaros

Christofacists. Perfect "handle". Mind if I use it? And you are so correct (notice that I didn't say ... rlght ...). These people truly are scary, hateful and violent. And it isn't Christianity, but "Paulism" that these people follow, --they aren't Christians, I believe, but Paulists) as well as their own screwy interpretations of a fairy tale that has been translated from so many languages --well after it all happened-- that it makes my head spin. And as far as listening to AFR, well, I've heard enough, thank you, from people who actually believe this crap.

JLinTx
JLinTx

"Paulists"? As in Ron Paul? Or Paul the Rock of the Church? (Or some other Paul I'm not familiar with? Surely not McCartney? Wouldn't that be cool?)

James Conner
James Conner

I hope reporters will interview some people who voted for Howard. In some ways, they scare me more than the candidate.

Rod Irwin
Rod Irwin

good advise to the press -- wake up start reporting facts! Is the Jim I'm volunteering with for Obama?